thanks for the responses and tips. The old timers on here know I am a soft water fishermen. I have a group of buddies that introduced me to hard water fishing. Yesterday was slow but we ended up up with a hand full of decent fish. We ended up going out of Catawba and fishing 5 mile NE I would guess around D can in 26 fow. Lots of drifts that made a challenging trip in. My quad had snow in the choke area,,,, my buddy was pulling me with a side by side and broke his drive belt about a mile out. Fortunately we had another buddy coming in from another area that was able to tow is the rest of the way. All in all a fun adventure.