Thanks so much B can and Spoonfeeder. Saw your posts too late before we headed out. Went to dumping grounds but it was so rough and brother from FL had sore ribs, so went on the west side of Put-in-Bay around Green/Rattlesnake and only caught 18#s for 5 of us but so much calmer over there and they were steady so no complaints! Will try the dumping grounds on a calmer day....thanks again!!!