Turtle creek is where we always run out of. On saturday we picked up fish on 4 different colors of hair jigs with no shiners.(purple, white and blue, green, and black and white). We were both casting and vertical jigging. You just need to find the right fish. Dont be affraid to stray away from the packs either. To me it sometimes seems the boat traffic can shut the fish down. We have been running and gunning between the reefs staying out of the bigger packs and it seems to be working so far.