Thanks, ebijack ,an wakina , I know things change from day to day or hour by hour, cloud cover,sunshine etc. Just trying to get input from you guys an girls, I'm like a sponge when it comes to learning from someone .I know there is no perfect lure,they all have their time and place, I do hear,pink panties,antifreeze,copper back,watermelon alot though. Ebijack on your spoon rigs, I see you have beads between the hooks do they serve a purpose other than being a attractor? And what is the average speed you troll those,