I have docked in Vermilion for over 10 years and we catch them in the river mid october. I have caught a couple as well perch fishing and can be a riot on a light spinning rod. In November I actually target crappie in the river with a smaller boat we own and have caught a few as well. I dont target steelies anymore since I use to fish Rocky a-lot as a kid and have had my fair share of battles with them-plus they dont taste to good.