The wife and I got a 60 perch limit, 18lbs at the cleaners on a line from Meinke's West to the Detroit river just in to 23 feet of water. 2 big chanel cats, 4 sheepshead, a ton of white perch. 1 white bass. Some of the white perch were huge. Used a little extra weight to get it to the bottom quicker. If you got it to the bottom with out the white perch grabbing it you would catch yellow perch.