thanks Ed, when I get the new one to the water i will probably take you up on that offer. As long as you don't mind a cold one while we work.lol. Hopefully the old one sells fast so I can put the new one in, but ... still waiting on stickers and paint so I can get it looking better. Next week I hope. Any tricks to installing the transducer? I have never put one in b4. looks easy enough. thanks again for your help

troy