these guys are dead on skipper is a stand up guy. he has always been great to me even when i didnt ask for info he would give it to me. he even offered to take my son perch fishing without even knowing us. i couldnt go but i still thank him for that. i will be posting as soon as the weather holds. i have tryed to go up every week for a month and the weather will not cooperate. thanks again jim. good luck every one. going up this sun and mon. if momma nature lets me.