Now we are getting somewhere. I found the mason crimps online and they are cheap and abundant. The size you have in the photo is "2C", the catalog says that's for 20lb test, is that what you are using because I was thinking you were a 17 lb test "guy"? Also, the crimp tool, do I really need the $30 tool that mason sells or can I use "any old crimp tool" I may already have? Thanks again for the help / conversation. I am going to try and go up next weekend so I am full speed ahead on trying to get this figured out. I have the hooks, painted spoons, and bought beads last night from hobby lobby so I should be all set soon. I am beginning to realize why a store bought lure is $3-$5!! Oh well, what else is there to do? Thanks guys