thanks, but i went out today and that will be it for dunkirk, caught some bass and of course gobi's :-( but no eyes, didn't see anything on fish finder, went out to 100+ trolled around here...there..the hotspots on the map...don't think my depth finder likes that depth :-) it kept going wacky...stable up to 80fow, need new fishfinder...however i appreciate the heads up, must've missed that one...should've done a search...my bad...thanks