This was my first full year on them and I must say I didn't have the success I wanted. I've learned alot and if you want to catch lake erie wall's then you should spend some time fishing with an experienced guy. Mind you if your not in the right place at the right time it's still an uphill battle. I fish this area all the time, on sept 5th I went south west to 65 feet. Spent a couple of hours with no luck. Lots on the screen but nothing bitting. Also noticed alot of bait fish there too. Moved out to 83' and faired much better, Got three in less then an hour. All on harnesses about 50 to 60 down. Seem to like the blk and prpl but also had luck with gld and grn. Good luck and keep us posted