butch and Denney's 419-836-7351, alszuch 419-836-5264, sabrinas hook or bait old hipps 419-836-2554, happy hooker 419-898-9676, anj bait on lakeshore drive419-635-4436, hi way bait 419-734-3601, rickards 419 -734-2496 they have a mix, fishermen's wharf 419 734-9002, all mostly Goldie's. a few with a mix of very small shiners. fishermen's cave on summit across the state line in Michigan has lake erie shiners with a mix of sand shiners which she told me looked like shiners but with a brown back. hope this helps