No one is whining. fishin 2 and fishhead315 gave the type of response I had become accustomed to on this site. If you read my post, it is also a report. I have fished Lake Erie of 32 years, and usually do fairly well. However this year, since the beginning of June it has been a struggle. I don't need or want yesterdays GPS numbers or lure colors, what I am looking for is what others are experiencing. Is it the algae or the dirty water or have the fish moved east. I come to this site for discussion not hostile responses