So you basically attach the sinker to the swivel then, 12 to 18 inch of line also to the swivel with a red hook and a bead. The whole rig is laying in the mud. That is very interesting. I am going to give that a try here shortly when i get out. thank you for the information, it is nice when others share what they have learned. It is always good to learn something new. I keep trying to hook up with you guys but it never seems to work out. i am availiable sept 2 if you guys decide to run a trip.