Thanks for the help guys, ended up at E-buoy with large clump of boats, tried trolling and after two poles got caught on another boat that cut directly on our tail and had to re-string em, then we trolled around using erie deerie with crawleres and I tried a spoon, the motor died on us twice and started hard the second time, this was after 3.5hrs of no fish and tangles and pole problems we called it quits