Ebijack, yeh that is a good thought, just not sure on keeping weapon at proper depth. When trolling I had 1 ounce at 50 back. When casting I would guess I had 1/2oz. They definitly wanted it at a speed I could not duplicate with drift socks, I am going to remember what you have said. Another thought I had on my 1 1/2 ride home was I should have just cut down to 2-3 rods and just kept trolling, but in 2-3 footers I don't always think well. Thanks for the advise and thanks to everyone reporting as I count on it alot being able to only come down every three weeks or so.