its north of vermillion about 7 to 8 milles out, some people call it the lorain sand bar. It starts around 30 on the north and goes to the border and maybe 15 to 22 on the east west it kind of covers a large area. If you want my exact numbers send me a pm. there was a big pack of boats fishing at the 30 north and 19 to 20 on the east west, and a smaller pack at the 34 20