I was out Saturday AM and Sunday evening last week out of Turtle creek. Fished 12 to 20 ft. of water trolling everthing. All fish came off of little ripper crankbaits 45-60 ft back on a flat line except one on a spoon with a harness rig. 3 walleye 4 smallmouth and lots of thumper sheep heads. Lost several fish 3-4 seconds into the strike also. I think braid is the problem here( no stretch). The rippers were black with the green dots and a red with yellow belly. The walleye were caught in 18ft. 16 ft. and 11 ft.