Now that's some good knowledge, thx bob...I see you are from Royalton. North Olmsted here. Our boats on PIB and now cant even get to it...we are gonna try this trolling thing with cranks this year wneber able to. We just used harnesses last year but a little later in the season. Be nice to catch on crank, takes my senior citizen crew to forever rebait the harnesses...more time out of the water than in...