I agree 20 or 25 is great. When I run a diver like a tru trip jet or a dipsy. I run 30 lb braid and a 20 pounds 6 foot leader just in case I get pushed into a shallow area. If my gear would hit bottom and snag I would only loose my leader and harnesses because the 20 pounds leader would break before the braid. You never know when Fishing contour lines when another boat will push you a little too close.