matter of fact i did get into somthing fun i got laid off and fished the river down here by my home like 5 min from home and got lots of northers one that snapped 17 ib test line when set the hook it took three big chubs before i hooked it i would figure it to be 50" or more to break line that easy and that was this fall and i got into walleyes down there only got one but i had fish hitting four about two hours i thought where pike so i didnt set the hook right away the end of this month going to go try again when they come back in i just put minnow on a bar hook about foot to six " off the bottom got a nice buck this last day at 12:00 this didnt went to die i put three good shots in him and he still laid there for about 15 to 20 min before it die he had 16 " spread 8 points should of also had a bear bear hunting saw two in about 1 hour had asum fall other than getting laid off