the best 2 bandits I've found are sunspot and chrome bottom with a blue back. back before and after the zebra, we caught lots of fish on hot n tots and wiggle warts in the standard sizes. if the bandits don't work try something that runs a little shallower. but don't hesitate to try anything in your tackle box that works on bass. at times we caught fish on things like wee warts to baits like the deep-diving mudbugs. we used spinning reels and just let out what we thought was 100' to 200 feet. good luck to you 2 old geezers. I'm 71 now and have fished Erie since the late '70s. I fished the western basin drift fishing for years until the water cleared and the walleye numbers went down then switched to trolling for a few more yrs then moved to the central basin. I went a lot from mid-May through early July but now I only go 1 time a year for a week in late July.