Hey joe we did over at the oak my nephew lost the 2 we hooked had 8 other bites. One pf the ones he lost straightened the hook and other came off about 10 min into the fight he did good for 8 yrs old. He was funny asked for help but did good and when 1st come he explained how his heart was beating and he never felt a fish like that summed it up by saying it was like tug of war. Hope to try again this weekend with him. With luck he'll get an arm burner over 25# .