I am counting down the months till spring I have some new rigs I made up to try and I am gonna give the torpedos a try also. I learned a lot last year just hope this spring I learn more . I will say the members who contribute here are a great help to all . So few sites are as sharing I have only found one other that the members share tips freeley and its sister site is good also but they keep tight lipped a bit more because its all ice tips. I hope you all have a merry christmas and a happy new year may your stockings be stuffed with plenty of new rigs and not honey do lists LOL.