how is fishing in buffalo

[copo427ss]

I could go on and on about ethanol gas. In my line of work I deal with the consequences of it all the time. Ill just mention a few things. 1) phase separation. Ethanol and gasoline do not mix chemically. So after a while the ethanol separates from the gas as it can only be suspended in the gas for a short period of time. One thing I've noticed is when it sits in carb bowls and separates, it leaves these little golden balls( nuggets) that look like pine tree sap. We've had a few 2stroke meltdowns come in that were specifically caused by dirty carbs leaning out the mix. 2) ethanol is alcohol, which draws in water(moisture) from the atmosphere. 3) ethanol gas in smaller engines almost always needs carburator adjustments to richen it up. You will run leaner with ethanol fuel over straight gas. Fuel injection isn't affected as much because it can richen itself and adjust timing. These newer engines should have been built to run on ethanol fuel. I don't know dealers are saying they're gonna test the fuel. Unless they're looking for water. 4) Older bottles of stabil (if anyone has some sitting around still) is NOT ethanol fuel compatible. When mixed it has a chemical reaction and turns your fuel into a gell. They had to revise they're formula just for ethanol fuels. So do not use older bottles of stabil.
5) ethanol gas starts to turn bad in as little as 2 weeks, depending on quantity.

A product called k-100 is a excellent weapon against ethanol fuel. It's made locally (tonawanda), its been tested, and it works. No I don't work for them. But I use it all the time and we have done our own testing of it and its the real deal.

A fuel water separator is a good idea for all boats that can install one. I'm pretty sure all the marinas that sell gas are still non ethanol. Unless they've had to succumb to the poison too.

[captainjoe]

Great discussion guys. Last year when I got the new boat & motor (225 merc). They told me to just fill up . The engine was made for the 10% ethanol. They didn't recommend any addative. What is interesting my trolling motor is about 5 years old (15 merc big foot) and is hooked to the same fuel line. So far I haven't seen any problems.

[copo427ss]

Great discussion guys. Last year when I got the new boat & motor (225 merc). They told me to just fill up . The engine was made for the 10% ethanol. They didn't recommend any addative. What is interesting my trolling motor is about 5 years old (15 merc big foot) and is hooked to the same fuel line. So far I haven't seen any problems.

I see the biggest problems in the older machines. 80s 90s. We've literally had to drill out main nozzles in carbs to fix the mid range lean condition caused by ethanol fuel.

[lineman49]

+2 on the K-100 this stuff works great. I use it in 4 o/b's , mower & 4x4. It breaks down the water so it will burn. They also claim it boosts the octane up to 2 points. Google their web site & watch the video. I saw a demo. at a sm. engine repair shop & it really seems to do what they say. A bit pricey but it works for me.

[joes spot]

heard of x2 & k100 were do i buy

[lineman49]

You can get K-100 at Bunny's sm. engine repair shop on Central Ave. & Walley's old gas station at Broadway & Aurora St. is suppose it have it also but not sure about him. both in Lancaster ny. If you go to K-100 web site it shows places to buy it.

[Fishon51]

heard of x2 & k100 were do i buy

http://www.k100fueltreatment.com/find-a-store.html


I used my zip code 14057 and a list of about 35 locations came up. k100 is pricey as hell. six 8oz. bottles for $50. one 8oz. bottle treats appox. 17 gal. of fuel.

[copo427ss]

http://www.k100fueltreatment.com/find-a-store.html


I used my zip code 14057 and a list of about 35 locations came up. k100 is pricey as hell. three 8oz. bottles for $50. one 8oz. bottle treats appox. 17 gal. of fuel.

That pricing is wrong! We sell it for $9 at my work. That's the going rate.

[wnyguy]

Copo you work with this stuff every day so I'm not even pretending to know more than you. The stuff I use is what Hodgeson' put me on years ago, I don't think they sell it anymore and use something a little different, it's probably kind of similar, the price is at least. It's Octi-Plus made by Well-Worth, which is also made in buffalo, I wonder if they are the same company? As luck would have it, the distributor lives right around the corner from me and I bought a whole case of it. I only live up the road from where you work btw. fishon I think k100 is sold at advance auto if that helps. Poles like copo said it's the older engines (mines an 86) that really have issues, especially rubber and plastic lines, fiberglass tanks that were never designed to be around alcohol and want to get dissolved by it...plus the phase separation you have alcohol in the gas, and the alcohol is water loving and will suck water right out of the air over time, once you get enough water in the fuel it separates out and then the fun starts haha.