Thanks Shorthanded & others for all the info on the dipsys. Milt, the rock pile is about 1 mile north of the #2/seneca shoal red marker bouy. We have been useing chartuse & hammered bronze size 4 blades on the harnesses fished rite on bottom. We were there today & fishing was slow but constant, ended up with 7 keepers. 1.3 - 1.7 spd.