i have been teing four month to get some one to give me some info on this is this because the water is cold we have been tring to get so we arent wast or time because of gas so if we come up next weekend we should do good we love fishing for eyes on our lake but erie is so much better if you like a good challengen let me knew we have a lake that has them but hard to get . i like to fish for them on our lake but have had the lake erie luck on a charter we like to fish on our own so let me know if you would some where differtern to try we can go togerther . thanks