Thanks again to spoontang on the condo hookup. We took the boys out sunday and caught 98 i think average was around 8 inches. I used Wakinas light trick and I think I'm a believer. I went up on the bow and fished off both sides and caught very little, while the boys fished off the back by the light and were lighting them up. Nothing like the smile on an 11yr old boys face when he catches his first double. It was a fun trip.