I was told that my buddy's minnow boat has spent 1000 on fuel in the last week or so searching for shiner's got 10 gallon that was 30 a gallon going up to 50 a gallon hes losing money to so heard they might go up again if you want to drive a distance you can get some at I think its fisherman's cave on summit across the state line they can get shinners from the other great lakes that border Michigan not lake Erie shiner's but shiners. might run up and get 100 dollars worth put them in minnow tank