Bert's Custom Tackle

[fishreed]

Did the screws fracture at the base of the tapered head? Typically that would be from loosing the clamp load ( not being tight, also a shear condition). Just so you know, S.S. is softer than most grade bolts and subject to fracturing. Typically S.S. is never hardened, not sure they even can. I've never been able to harden stainless. I know they would rust but if you replaced them with grade 8 screws, they would most likely never facture again. Paint the head of the screws after installing, put regular oil on the threads before installing will help stop that corrosion.
Thanks for letting guys know to check theirs!

After spending 20 years before I retired in the metallurgical test and manufacturing industry as a 8 State Field Engineer and Adjunct Professor who has taught Metallurgical Test Methods at 7 major Universities in the Midwest with a well known major employer who manufactures computer Rockwell and Tensile testing equipment, let me educate you guys on stainless steel bolt and nut fatigue. Stainless steel is an alloy of Nickel and Chrome. Chrome is used for surface brightness such as kitchen sinks and nickel is used for strength. Most stainless steel bolts and nuts approach Rockwell C 55-58 and that my fishing friends makes them VERY susceptible to breaking because they HARD NOT Soft. One has to be very careful from over torquing when using Nylock nuts to prevent Gauling /cold welding stainless nuts on stainless bolts because they will gall themselves together as you will snap them due to over torquing off if you try to remove them. I suggest a minimum 1/4-20 stainless bolts and nylock nuts with a SUPER light film of Super Lube synthetic grease with PTFE to be used on all base mounted rods holders and track systems using these nylock stainless nuts and bolts with backer stainless washers on rail Sisco and Traxtech as it will be more than sufficient unless you are pull out big tree stumps. Stainless Steel Nuts and bolts are HARD NOT SOFT metallurgically speaking as this makes them very suspectable to torque breaking and cold welding/galling to the screw. Oil will not do the job as compared to Super Lube Synthetic grease with PTFE/Teflon additives as I have used this synthetic grease for well over 15 years in the repairing, upgrading, and maintenance for 50 years of every fishing reel known to mankind. Class Dismissed.

[sherman51]

lock nuts with a backing plate or even large fender washers will work just fine. the Teflon nuts are just nuts with Teflon on the end. I mounted my tracks on my boat with just ss screws. I wanted to make sure they would hold so I put 2-rod holders out 90 degrees and grabbed on. I lifted my 250# weight and jerked as hard as I could and it held just great. I used riggers in the tracks once but tied them to the boat just in case. i removed the tracks the other day to put them on another boat. the screws were still as tight as they were when I installed them a few yrs ago. and I wouldn't use riggers on them often without using bolts with Teflon nuts with some type of backing plate. i use my rod holders for running 3 lite bite slide divers per side.

[wakina]

I will be getting some pics up of the problem as soon as I am able. In the hospital recovering from another bout with pneumonia. Hopefully another week and I will be well enough to function.

[fishreed]

I will be getting some pics up of the problem as soon as I am able. In the hospital recovering from another bout with pneumonia. Hopefully another week and I will be well enough to function.

Didn't you get your Covid, pneumonia or Shingles vaccinations pal or did you question the expert advice of qualified medical professionals too?

[wakina]

Didn't you get your Covid, pneumonia or Shingles vaccinations pal or did you question the expert advice of qualified medical professionals too?

Yes to all of your questions about my vaccinations. I got them all at a qualified Doctors office or qualified hospital vaccination clinic. The people who administered the various vaccines had their Professional credentials on full display at an obvious prominent location at their place of business with their medical board issued license in full display as well as their academic achievement credentials such as school attended, the location of and the dates they had attended med school and dates of graduations. I proceeded with the various vaccinations after consultation with not only those professionals who administered the vaccines but licensed professional pharmacists from our local drug stores.

You on the other hand have offered no viable proof that you are and engineer in the metallurgical profession. You offer nothing but hollow condescending BS about how smart you are. You have projected all of the traits of and insecure condescending and arrogant prick looking for attention! An engineer friend of mine once told me of an old engineering saying that "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance you should baffle them with bullsh**". But you being an engineer and all must already knew that don't you.

You have failed miserably at both, so keep throwing your play ground insults at the members of this site as it shows your actual intelligence level. One thing that is for sure is that all or most all of the members on Walleye dot Com can identify a condescending arrogant prick when they see one, hear one or read what one may type on forums such as this. You fit that description perfectly. On top of all that you are so full of Road Apples(sh**it) your breath stinks and your eyes are brown. You reek so bad that your odor can be detected on the internet.

[ebijack]

Get better! That is nasty stuff!

[fishreed]

Why would anybody use a liquid thread locker such as Loctite when a stainless nylock nut is available?

[wakina]

Why would anybody use a liquid thread locker such as Loctite when a stainless nylock nut is available?

Well professor, the reason that I used a thread locker instead of lock nuts would be the fact that the screws fasten directly into the threaded holes in the base of the upright riser tube the holder sets in. They go through the base plate from the bottom into counter sunk predrilled holes then are threaded into the predrilled threaded holes in the riser tube. Open the link that accompanied the old 2015 post you brought up again and take a look at the riser in question. There is no way to use the lock nuts you recommended. Class dismissed!!!!!

One question does come to mind and that is are you here to help or to nitpick?

[fishreed]

Well professor, the reason that I used a thread locker instead of lock nuts would be the fact that the screws fasten directly into the threaded holes in the base of the upright riser tube the holder sets in. They go through the base plate from the bottom into counter sunk predrilled holes then are threaded into the predrilled threaded holes in the riser tube. Open the link that accompanied the old 2015 post you brought up again and take a look at the riser in question. There is no way to use the lock nuts you recommended. Class dismissed!!!!!

One question does come to mind and that is are you here to help or to nitpick?

I know exactly what you used. I'm here to educate you of what will not work. Expanding Nut certs like you used will not work in that application no matter how much thread locker you use because you need spread out the load with a backing plate with a minimum of 1/4 aluminum plate or maybe a rail mount system made by Cisco or Traxtech. I suggest you don't go into the mechanical engineering discipline. Guys like you are why warning labels are put on lawn mowers not to put your hands and feet near spinning blades. You can pick up a repeat class next semester when I'm available in your area.

[Eyezcrazy]

I know exactly what you used. I'm here to educate you of what will not work. Expanding Nut certs like you used will not work in that application no matter how much thread locker you use because you need spread out the load with a backing plate with a minimum of 1/4 aluminum plate or maybe a rail mount system made by Cisco or Traxtech. I suggest you don't go into the mechanical engineering discipline. Guys like you are why warning labels are put on lawn mowers not to put your hands and feet near spinning blades. You can pick up a repeat class next semester when I'm available in your area.

What an arrogant prick! You’ve made a total of 5 posts and most of those were arrogant or condescending! Guys like you are probably why I see so many bridge collapses. I’ve dealt with my share of arrogant engineers who never admit to their mistakes.

I will stand by Wakina! He’s had hundreds of helpful posts and has been a member of this site for over a decade!