masterkraft thanks a lot for the info, all the bites I've been getting with the big ones are suddenly there is just weight and can't feel a lot on the line no sucking it in they are just there. Not familiar with the lost peninsula marina or wood tick point but the way it sounds is you're closer to ohio and coming back towards sterling? is consumers the 3 stacks going towards Toledo? the orange flags shouldn't be that hard to find. Are you getting good marks on your sonar? or very little I've found it to be both ways. going to try it tomorrow.

Thanks Nat