Okuma Magda Pro or Daiwa AccudepthPlus

[OffShore24]

Yes sometimes it is. In this case from what i can tell we are forced to buy a foreign made product. Maybe there is an opportunity out there for someone to make an American made reel???? (hint hint manufacturers). Since I must buy a foreign made product I will make darn sure that the company is an American Corporation who pays taxes to my Country!!!

[fishhead315]

made products does not mean better quality products these days at all . Look at GM right now with all the recalls . Some that were known to have had problems before even leaving the factory . A lot more money there then a 35.00 reel . Last time I looked , Honda, Toyota, and other foriegn made cars had a lot better rating then our US made cars.

Using the word "Pro" is used a lot these days even in the fishing industary . You now have the money to buy a Ranger or Lund and you fish tournaments , and all of the sudden you are a "Pro" . Yeah so you think !!!

Anyone that does not do their homework and buys something simply because it has Pro in the title deserves what they get .

Our favorite cranks {ReefRunners} are now made in China . How many does everyone own ? 99% of the spinner blades we all love are pressed and made overseas as well as the hooks and all the other goodies we use .

People get hooked on brands and become snobs against any other brand because they believe theirs is the best . Happens with fishing stuff , guns, and cars and trucks such as the Ford vs Chevy debate .

Back to the reel question , I have 18 Okumas Magda Pros that are 8 years old and have never had a problem . On the other hand , I have buddies that have the Diawa Accudepths and have had many problems since day one .

Are there better reels out there then Okuma ? Im sure there is . Buy and use what works for you with the funds you have to spend and take care of them . Every winter my Okumas get taken apart and cleaned and lubed for the next season and preform just fine for me .

Dale

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nice post fish head, what ever you buy it will last longer if you take care of it, where have your fish reports been? I'm sure your doing well it's been a great year. Off all the reels i own i like the cold water okuma's the best CW 303D. I have diawa's sealines, lc's, accudepths, shakshperes and convectors.

[wakina]

This discussion about the different reels and where manufacturing takes place is a classic example of~~ where someone with a Doctorate in Economics and the guy who own a Greeting Card Store on the corner of Main and Center St. both have differing opinions where both opinions are Equally Valid.

Within the last 6 months almost all of the car manufacturers, GM, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda have had major recalls(defects) and within the last month Ford has been busted for exaggerated EPA fuel economy(mpg) claims where their original claims were on average 15% higher than what has been proven to be a more accurate EPA mpg estimate(false advertising) for the vehicle models involved.

American Companies who have some their products manufactured overseas and sell those products overseas do not pay income taxes on those profits from those sales until that profit(money) is brought back into the country(US). The import duties if any are passed on to the end consumer!

Meanwhile a third company purchases those products manufactured overseas in an overseas market place (Hong Kong) and imports those products to the US and sells them at a much cheaper price than what a company who manufactures a like product in the US can sell their product.

The reason is simply because there is higher wage base in the US and the tax on the profits raises the cost to do business. There are 3 losers in that situation, the company who would have manufactured those products in this country, the consumers who would have bought those products, and the American workers who would have made those products!

[fishhead315]

I plan on starting to replace my Pros with those this coming winter . Have a buddy that is buying a boat this fall for next year and plan on giving him the Pros as they have served me very well over the years .

Have been having a good year here as well so far . Just got the big boat in the water last week so have been fishing the smaller one so far .Started out in the Michigan waters this past spring and have been following the fish east as of now . The Huron area has treated me very well . Been doing a lot of night fishing out that way and has been very very good .

Been keeping busy with other things in life as well so not on the computer as much as I use to be . Im sure some here are thankful of that as you know I speak my mind being good or bad .

Good fishing to you and stay safe .

Dale

[Firetiger]

Using the word "Pro" is used a lot these days even in the fishing industary . You now have the money to buy a Ranger or Lund and you fish tournaments , and all of the sudden you are a "Pro" . Yeah so you think !!!



Dale

I had to laugh after reading that because it reminds me of this youtube video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzwF72B2F2w

I haven't had any problems with my Daiwa's and they get beat to death, but I do take them apart and lube them everyyear.

[jamesbalog]

i bought magda 20s last year at a shop and had problems with all but one of them. when they were replaced i paid a little extra and went with 30s and havent had any problems yet.

not sure if i had a bad batch of 20s or they all had issues?

[Hoytman86]

I don't know if anyone has suggested it, but you can't go wrong with an Ambassadeur. I've been using two of them for 15 years for catfishing and haven't had a single problem with them yet. I know this probably doubles the price of each compared to what you were looking for, but they're the smoothest reels I've ever used, and even have been used in saltwater without showing any wear. We bought a few of the line counter reels last year and they were accurate with a full spool, however I can't attest to how well they'll hold up over time as they were only used for a handful of trips. I believe they're still made in Sweden, so not made here, but it's better than Chinese junk.

I can't provide any input on the other reels mentioned but the best advice I can give is to go into Cabela's or Bass Pro and pick them up and see what they feel like to you. Then read some customer reviews online about the reels you liked and make a decision based on that.

Good luck with the purchase.

[OffShore24]

made products does not mean better quality products these days at all . Look at GM right now with all the recalls . Some that were known to have had problems before even leaving the factory . A lot more money there then a 35.00 reel . Last time I looked , Honda, Toyota, and other foriegn made cars had a lot better rating then our US made cars.

Using the word "Pro" is used a lot these days even in the fishing industary . You now have the money to buy a Ranger or Lund and you fish tournaments , and all of the sudden you are a "Pro" . Yeah so you think !!!

Anyone that does not do their homework and buys something simply because it has Pro in the title deserves what they get .

Our favorite cranks {ReefRunners} are now made in China . How many does everyone own ? 99% of the spinner blades we all love are pressed and made overseas as well as the hooks and all the other goodies we use .

People get hooked on brands and become snobs against any other brand because they believe theirs is the best . Happens with fishing stuff , guns, and cars and trucks such as the Ford vs Chevy debate .

Back to the reel question , I have 18 Okumas Magda Pros that are 8 years old and have never had a problem . On the other hand , I have buddies that have the Diawa Accudepths and have had many problems since day one .

Are there better reels out there then Okuma ? Im sure there is . Buy and use what works for you with the funds you have to spend and take care of them . Every winter my Okumas get taken apart and cleaned and lubed for the next season and preform just fine for me .

Dale

This is not just a Chevy vs Ford debate!!! This is more about a company that is misleading & dishonest. if you want to support them go right ahead. everyone has opinions and freedom to express them. For me personally I refuse to support a foreign company over a American company. Every company eventually has problems with something. We do not see the truew integrity of a company until we see how those problems are rectified. Sure there are some that can say Okuma fixed their reels and even paid the shipping etc. That does not excuse the fact that they our a foreign company and there tactics are unethical.

hopefully next time you buy new reels you will consider that there is a American company that makes a product that is similair too or better than the Foreign company.

BTW the word "pro" like any other word has a legal definition!!! Put shame on a company who misrepresents their product by mis using the word and it's legal definition. Don't shame a consumer who is mislead by an unethical company that mis uses the word. If we accepted that kinda crap words will no longer need legal deifinitions because they would be useless.

the guy who buys an expensive boat and calls himself a pro is simply making up for the lack of something else somewhere else. The same as Okuma. The product is not a quality well built item. Therefore they MUST use the "PRO" to sell the item. Classic example of making up for the lack of the item.

Even Okuma said themselves "our magda "pro" is an entry line product and is not made for the serious or "professional" angler. it will fail if it used in that way".

Million dollar question.... How many "professional anglers" Use the magda "PRO"?

[fishhead315]

However , would you call what GM did unethical by knowing of the problems on several of the recalls being they knew in advance of the problem(like you say Okuma did) that caused deaths in some cases and is a US company ?

To be honest , the best linecounters in my opinion were the old Marado Compass C line . Those were the only reels with a back reel feature like a spinning reel . Very cheap and they fished well on my old boat for many many years .

I to believe in buying US made goods but it gets to the point that the cost outweighs the good of it . If there was a purely US made linecounter and the cost was more then double the cost of other made reels , how many would sit here and complain about it compered to buying them because they are US made ?

Once again this is very much a Chevy vs Ford debate in many ways . You say Okuma are junk but have treated me very well . On the other hand , Diawa has treated you well so you prefer them .

As far as the advertisement by Okuma as Pro in the name of the real , it is just that . Many companies have slick eye catching advertisements to get the consumer to look . After looking it is up to you to decide to buy or not , Once again like a Chevy vs Ford commercial . Ford is this, Chevy is that . A well educated buyer knows just that .

I for one am not a Pro fisherman by any means but do fish 3-4 days a week weather allowing . I would have no problem at all fishing a tournament or tournaments using the Okuma Pro reels that I have been ..

As for your Million Dollar question ... Well there again , Pros get stuff at cost for the price of putting a 3.00 sticker on their boat and or truck therefor making them feel like a PRO all for the saving of a few bucks .Just because a Pro doesnt use them does not mean they are not good for someone else . Classic example are boat lines . Most Pros are fishing Ranger or Lunds so that must make all the other boat makers junk in your eyes ?? Just a preferance is all .

Dale