Yeley0437 I too like to throw the wonder bread vib"e", like to hit them on a MH rod usually 6'6". I try to present them similar to casting a jig with a bit longer "pop" off the bottom. I know some people tip them with a shinner personally I do not. Stop into the shop and check us out this spring at dreamcatcher fishing bait and tackle, carry blade baits and everything else as well. Good luck hope to see you this spring.