thanks guys but im looking for a 272 not a 270 i have a 250 and i only want a 272 just thought that going out of the marina or harbor someone might see one with a for sale sighn or what not on a boat its hard to check every harbor or marina for the ones for sale by owner i already know about happy days and this web site but i know the communication on this forum is better than any dealer web site that is why i posted thanks guys