Guys, just another short note, the indiana blades pull a little straighter than the colorado, so the colorado tangles a little more, next only use about a third of a nightcrawler hooked on the very tip everything hanging off the hook, that again helps with it pulling straight, don't thread the worm on like you would a weight forward spinner (main cause of tangle ups) remember its supposed to resemble mayfly larva , use the countdown method, these things drop like a rock 10 count is usually on bottom by end of your retrieve, use your casting angles 11 o-clock to 1 o-clock ect...... i've got some to sent out if anyone likes.....Ed