10/11/11 and 10/13/11 just off the gravel pit 24 fow. 16+lbs and 17+lbs at the cleaners. even rick was impressed with the size. don't know if this info helps however i use 6lb. p line #2 long shank hooks on 3" stiff leader mono 4" and 8" above a 1oz. sinker. cut bait seems to work abit better and and on the bottom. also bigger perch bite is very lite compared to smaller ones. one other thing, you need good electronics to find the better fish.