mienkes west had shinners, just ask for Mr. weed, as far as starting points, bouy 13, toledo light no. 2, 1 mile east of no. 2,
north end of gravel pits would be my starting points, keep it light (sinker, spreader, single hook rig, skipper 9 rig) rig must be on bottom with slack line, and light poles, this is best I can help you till weekend. wayne