Dave dont tell stories like many he gets his information from detailed folks who fish everyday and they tell it like it is...so your reply is simple they are there and hes right on key...in fact speed it up a notch I have been limiting out there in two hours each day with 6 men on the boat thats 48 fish per day and they havent been small either.....penguin stinger was the perfect one the last four days.......good luck and as always tight lines...ERIE FEELING capt charlie aka (Iowa Boy)