Thanks charlie i was trolling 1.5 -2 and tried different leads but just started using my big boards i dont know if im doing it right but have them out 50 - 75 feet from boat. Seems like every thing was going right but maybe i wasnt on fish or i dont know what im doing. Need to keep at it. Any advise is appricated. Tried to contact someone i know to see if i was doing it right but couldnt get ahold of him. Anyways good luck to all.