we went out last sunday same thing only on purple hair jigs tipped, we were a little farther out but not with the pack fished 11 to 13 ft of water vertical jig, and a little cast and slow retrieve we caught all males a 2 man 8 fish limit with couple throw backs justr about 2 hrs , took a new fisherman to erie what a great time on the water going to try again maybe thurs eve .