I've had success running Hot n Tots flatlined with no board. In WB about 45-60 back with a 2oz. weight 5 feet in front of them. I've used them similar areas between all the islands on west side. Also success in front of Edgewater Beach in central basin. But deeper there. I keep one copper/ orange, gold one, green and silver, and blue and silver. I also use them to cast for steelhead in river mouths until early december.

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