That Bob, he will get you some good info just ask.... You'll be showing the pics soon.. Get you some clip-on weights. The are the Cats Patoot. You can fish just about anything using them at what ever depth you want. Also, start collecting data on line out- to depth - weight needed. The information is out there and easy to find. I don't care much for dipseys but the #1 with ring/without ring will get you down for the most part.