Trolling advice, still new

[Frank]

Hey jiga-bite ,I have The pro edition, my book says nothing about braid,but the tests where done with 10/4 fireline, which I checked into,it,actually has a smaller dia. Than braids the same pound test.fire line and braids sink whereas mono floats.I use 12lb.xt and I lose 2' in depth tolling bandits 60' back by what my chart says, I know this from trolling over shallower water,than what is listed, so braid is going to allow your lures deeper.but I do not see any lures that exceed 5' of deference,braid allows you to achieve the same depth with less line out, it's a stronger line with less stretch,so better hookups,less broken lines,which is ok with longer rods,I prefer mono for its stretch properties, but i only use 7' rods. What I see about mono compared to brad was for trip z divers on the package it compares 10 lb.mono to 30# braid, but braid is in a sense like leadcore because it sinks, I choose mono because most of my charts are done with mono, I went a little bigger,but I have a conversion chart in my book to give me the extra line I need to let out to get it the zone, most lures dive quickly to close their intended maximum,but those last few feet required 30,40 ,80' let out for just inches of depth, they say lures will dive infinitely if you could keep letting enough line out, but that's why jets an weights are used to avoid that issue, ok I say that if you use braid the shorter leeds that are used to troll bandit say 60 back you are probably 2' deeper than 10lb mono, if the fish are picky this could make you or break you. I try to keep my lures running within 5' of the depth most of the fish are hangin out, above them.I read that walleyes don't see down well an feed up. Hope this helps. Speed doesnt effect the curve of cranks, as much as using weights which are speed dependent. I watched a gentleman trolling on YouTube using 4oz.weights in 15' of water trolling cranks, at 1.5 he would have been doing alot of donating to the bottom but he was running 3.0 , ebijack is right about other people's line out, it's a starting point because that person could be using 20# mono ,which would be a bigger difference than 10# or braid .for example letting enough line out to get 36' down with 10# you only get 30' with 20# . 6' is alot . Reef runner's have a steeper dive curve than bandits, and also achieve a greater depth by 6' . 60' back on a bandit with 10# mono gets15' with a RR 60' back would get you 18' foot .the further out the bigger the difference. A RR will run 22' with 98' of line out, where it takes 195' for a bandit to reach that same depth. I've thrown allot of cranks over the years,and you can get lures of the same brand that will dive a little deeper than the others,or even catch more fish, strange but true!! I would try to get the right charts for the lures you are trolling an learn to adjust to your line size, everything I listed is based on 10# and all perfect world scenario,

[Jiga-Byte]

Great info! I guess the point of confusion for me comes from looking at the Precision dive chart for RR's. If you compare the depths for LC 2.0 verses 10# XT, its literally about 30 ft of line difference to acheive the same depth running depth of 20ft down. Now as your desired depth increases, the difference between the mono and LC 2.0 (according to Precision) exponentially increases.

So I guess Im confused how there could be that much difference for RR's but not Bandits.

[Frank]

Well I would say lure design,internal weight, I have lures that dive 8' for instance I have other lures that dive the same depth but have a much larger Bill to get it done, buoyancy, bill angle. Action trying to be achieved

[Frank]

Jiga-bite
I searched through my book, the closest lure to the dive curve of a bandit and should get real close, is the Rapala deep taildancer ttd-9 , it has the fireline/ braid numbers in the book. Here are the mono numbers 45=13' ,50= almost 14', 60=15 ,72' =16', 80=17 , 100= 18.5 , 125= 20 ,150=21,178=22' compare those to the bandit numbers, here are the braid numbers for that same lure 20=10.5 ,30=12.5, 40=14.5 ,50=16.5, 60=18 ,70=19 ,80=20, 90=21, 100=21.5 ,125=23' ,150=24.5 these would be the numbers I would use trolling bandits with braid because the dive curves using mono with both lures are very close.Once you get out past 40' the RR continues on a steeper path ,this is a rr with braid 50=18, 60=20 ,80=22, 100=25 , with short leads they are pretty close.