Oh ok I see, ill give the big Jon's a go first for sure, I do have a couple of the dipsy divers as well as a couple jet divers are those able to run with out planer boards? Wife picks them up as stocking stuffers for Xmas. Did no reading up on them. Don't have much in lures yet to really cover all areas of the trolling season but enough to get some practice for it and picking up more here and there as I learn and go. What do you pull mostly if I may ask ?