I go out of point breeze on Ontario spoons and j plugs are the ticket soon your more than welcome to tag along if ya want we can go out in my boat or sure my buddy would take us with him. I am sure he is laughing as he reads this. All he ever asks for is gas money to offset cost and it's fair in my book. Let me know if your untreated we will set it up. I am like 34 miles from buff and 24 miles from Ontario it takes like 40 minutes from downtown towing boat to my house.