Boxed 12 with my daughter yesterday despite the crazy Ivan my daughter did driving, she does alright most of the time but a set of choppy waves while texting and me taking a fish off put a planer board off the bow and one stern =Spaghetti. 38-45 ft, 2-3-4 color, all on harnesses, NW Seneca shls a bit we found a nice school but fished today and they were spread out and ended with 5 by noon. Good fishing everyone