they where just right for fish to get up in watch probley 25 to 30 come out of the lake i fished the lake and stream watch fish come in when i was fishing the lake then i tried just in side mouth of stream had one hit and one hookup then this a-- walk right across where fish and my line where and good by fish all moved up stream bad thing was there ten times more fish where he was at i move to where no one was so i could try a lure and i got the hit and one on then here he came and the other thing is that he had to be in his 60s he should have knowen better to do that to some one