thanks again dr ed. im planning on coming up to Geneva on the 11th for 2 weeks. we plan to start fishing on the 12th. I will be coming up pretty much blind except for reports from guys like you who are willing to share. and I need all the help I can get. my boat name is last chance on the radio on ch 68. if your up there while im there give me a shout. i'll be glad to share fishing info with you.