we were marking tons of fish deep but no takers. we fished them for 2 hrs and only caught 2 fish. moved everything up to target the fish we were marking at or near 50' and started catching fish. sunspot shallow bandit 45' on the rigger with 30' leads caught fish. i don't know which brand spoon we used but chrome purple ladderback caught most of our fish. we caught all our fish in 72' to 74' of water. anything under 71' was shorts and farm animals. from what I've been told the farther out you go the better the fishing. but if I went back up right now I would give 72' to 74' a try before making the long run out farther.