I agree so much with " The Swing" but you have to flexible and try things. Multiple people on the boat can really help narrow that down. Some days shorter casts are the thing. (Dont know why?) maybe the angle of the blade. Some days a guy holding the rod over the side of the boat dragging and lifting can catch as many fish as the guys with the swing. But that being said they usually catch as many zebra mussells and break alot of weapons.